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New AJWRB Newsletter

by Lee Elder in

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The Associated Press Needs Your Help

by Lee Elder in

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friends

please distribute this announcement:.

richard ostling, religion writer with the associated press needs.

to interview a headquarters staffer, and preferably two or three, who.

Lee Elder

Please distribute this announcement:

Richard Ostling, Religion Writer with The Associated Press needs
to interview a headquarters staffer, and preferably two or three, who
were present on Dec. 26 and can confirm that Theodore Jaracz announced
by closed-circuit TV to the assembled Brooklyn, Patterson and Wallkill
workers that 1,500 (or 1,800 according to some versions) headquarters
jobs will be eliminated. If anyone is able and willing to speak about
this in confidence without being identified in print, Ostling can be
contacted at [email protected] or 212 621 7903 or toll-free outside (212)
area at 800 622 5527 ext 7903. (Ostling has contacted the Office of
Public Information in Brooklyn but they decline to say anything.)

Thank You

Lee Elder

AJWRB

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The Associated Press Needs Your Help

by Lee Elder in

please distribute the following announcement:.

richard ostling, religion writer with the associated press needs.

to interview a headquarters staffer, and preferably two or three, who.

Lee Elder

Please distribute the following announcement:

Richard Ostling, Religion Writer with The Associated Press needs
to interview a headquarters staffer, and preferably two or three, who
were present on Dec. 26 and can confirm that Theodore Jaracz announced
by closed-circuit TV to the assembled Brooklyn, Patterson and Wallkill
workers that 1,500 (or 1,800 according to some versions) headquarters
jobs will be eliminated. If anyone is able and willing to speak about
this in confidence without being identified in print, Ostling can be
contacted at [email protected] or 212 621 7903 or toll-free outside (212)
area at 800 622 5527 ext 7903. (Ostling has contacted the Office of
Public Information in Brooklyn but they decline to say anything.)

Thanks,

Lee Elder

AJWRB

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Seeker4 Facing DFing - Seeks advice!! Lawyer??

by Seeker4 in

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friends

some of you may remember me, seeker4, from several hundred posts 3 to 6 years ago.

i recognize some of the names in today's forums, and maybe some of you remember me.

don't confuse me with seeker - i'm s4.

Lee Elder

You're agreeing to meet with them in the first place may come back to haunt you on this since it can be interpreted to mean that you acknowledge they have some authority over you in the first place. I realize that its more complex than that when you are dealing with "friends", but most JWs are WT idolizers first and friends second.

Consider retaining a civil rights lawyer to advise you how best to proceed. If this were me, I would stress the following points with the lawyer:

1. You don't consider yourself a Jehovah's Witness.

2. You don't associate with Jehovah's Witnesses.

3. This is a singular attempt to deprive you of "normal family relationships" i.e. alienation of affection.

4. The elders are acting outside of established WT polilcy and custom. Directives are that publisher cards are removed

from the congregation files and destroyed after either 5 or 7 years of inactivity. (Starting to forget some of this stuff).

Here are some resources:

http://jehovah.to/gen/legal/state/paul.htm

http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041128/DOCTRINE6/41128002

http://www.legalspring.com/content/alienation-of-affection.aspx

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=alienation+of+affection+shunning+u.s.

If you can manage to convince these elders that you are not a JW and don't pose any threat to the local brothers

and sisters it is difficult to imagine why they would want to pursue this matter. If you cannot accomplish this,

your best bet is to come after them with a very strong, well written response from your attorney which makes

it perfectly clear that you will litigate to protect your family/relationships.

I would be inclined to copy the WT legal department and have your attorney write a second letter to them as well.

Seems like they have more important things to do than chase down someone who has been inactive for so long,

especially if it means potential legal problems.

They can win the lawsuit if precendence holds but again, why would they want to spend resources on this matter?

So again, try your best to convince them why you are no threat and that its in their best interest to simply

let this go. If they continue to insist on a judicial committee meeting, I would not be inclined to attend since that

sends the message that you recognize the authority of the committee over you.

Perhaps you lawyer could have them served with your letter. I know that sounds kind of drastic, but it will shock

them a bit. You want them to know beyond any shadow of a doubt how serious you are about coming after them

personally if they attempt to interfere with your family. That they had better plan on plenty of time off from work (unpaid)

to complete interrogatories, depositions, etc. And that you will not just be filing an action against the WTS and local cong-

gregation, but them personally.

Take good notes, especially about any deviations from WT policy. These improve your chances of winning if it comes

down to that.

Good luck ( I can say that now)

Lee Elder

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WT tries to sacrifice 14 year old on its bloody alter

by Lee Elder in

view online: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/articlenews/tpstory/lac/20050408/bcgirl08/tphealth/.

by jane armstrong .

friday, april 8, 2005 page s1vancouver -- at 14, she has already endured a cancer diagnosis, surgery, two rounds of chemotherapy, and a blood clot on her heart.

Lee Elder

View online: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050408/BCGIRL08/TPHealth/

By JANE ARMSTRONG

Friday, April 8, 2005 Page S1

VANCOUVER -- At 14, she has already endured a cancer diagnosis, surgery, two rounds of chemotherapy, and a blood clot on her heart.

Now, the devout Jehovah's Witness from Vernon, B.C., is waging a bitter court fight to refuse a court-ordered blood transfusion.

The girl, who cannot be named because she is a minor, is asking a B.C. Supreme Court judge to overturn a lower court decision, obtained last month by B.C.'s director of Child, Family and Community Services, ordering a blood transfusion.

Her religion strictly forbids the procedure. Her parents, who are also Jehovah's Witnesses, are backing their ill daughter.

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The girl believes that "it's God's will" that she not have a transfusion, according to court documents. The B.C. Ministry of Child and Family Services says she is not old enough to make that decision.

The girl was pushed into court yesterday in a wheelchair. Wan and thin, with her right leg still bandaged from surgery, she chatted with her lawyer and mother and appeared interested in the proceedings.

Later in the afternoon, she dozed off on her mother's shoulder.

It's not the first time the state has stepped in to try to force a young, ailing Jehovah's Witness to receive a blood transfusion.

In 2002, Alberta's Children's Services went so far as to obtain custody of 17-year-old cancer patient, Bethany Hughes, when her mother refused to allow her daughter to receive blood. Ms. Hughes eventually received the blood transfusions but died from leukemia.

In the B.C. case, the girl is arguing that she is mature enough to decide her course of treatment. She has not yet received a transfusion.

From the outset of her cancer diagnosis, she specified that she does not want a blood transfusion. The procedures are common in cancer patients undergoing treatment.

One of the side effects of chemotherapy is that it suppresses the production of blood cells. Transfusions are also required during or after surgery.

Shane Brady, the lawyer for the girl's parents, said the provincial court decision that ordered the transfusion last month was unconstitutional.

Mr. Brady, who is arguing the appeal, said the girl could not attend that hearing because she was in hospital. Nor did she have a lawyer.

She was consulted via telephone and wrote a letter to the court outlining her position, but Mr. Brady said she felt that her views were not being taken seriously.

"I am fully competent to make my own decisions," the girl wrote in a letter to the provincial judge.

She ended by offering to get together with the judge to expand on her views. "If you would like to talk with me some more . . . I'd be more than willing to sit down and talk."

Mr. Brady argued that the girl wants to be recognized as a so-called mature minor, a right he said is guaranteed in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

"For [the girl], deciding whether to accept a recommended treatment is unquestionably a fundamental life choice going to the core of her individual dignity and independence," Mr. Brady said in a written brief.

Her lawyer, David Dahlgren, said she did not want to give interviews, adding the court fight has "stressed her out." The girl is still undergoing treatment.

The girl's legal dilemma began soon after she was diagnosed with bone cancer last December. She agreed to chemotherapy and even the amputation of her leg if necessary, but explained to her oncologist that she is a Jehovah's Witness. At one point, her oncologist, Dr. David Dix, told her she could die if she refused a transfusion. Dr. Dix also warned his young patient that he would contact the Ministry of Child Health and Social Services if he believed she needed a transfusion.

In February, the province's director of Child, Family and Community Services met with the girl's parents and warned that he could seek a court order authorizing blood transfusions.

The next day, the girl was assessed by a psychiatrist who concluded the girl was mentally sound. On March 8, the tumour was removed from her leg. At the same time, she also developed a blood clot on her heart, caused by her intravenous line. She was given an anticoagulant to prevent the clot from growing.

On March 15, she underwent surgery to drain a hematoma on her leg and lost some blood. The next day, the girl's father was served with a notice from the province, saying it was applying for an order authorizing blood transfusions.

Two days later, on March 18, a provincial judge in Vancouver granted the order

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AJWRB

by Lee Elder in

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we have just published a newsletter for those who follow the blood issue.. it can be viewed here:.

http://www.ajwrb.org/newsletter/april-05.html

Lee Elder

IronGland - yes we still exist ;-)

tijkmo - if you look up "obfuscate" in the dictionary you will note that the word originated in Brooklynn

willyloman - thank you

diamoneblue1974 - thank you

TheListener - you're welcome. Good to hear that others find the information useful.

Blondie - thank you for your kind remarks and support.

Blue Brother - thank you.

lentilstew - Marvin Shilmer has given a complete response to your question. I hope you have verified matters for yourself.

Marvin - thank you for your hard work and expertise.

cyborgVision - I would like to think that AJWRB has had some impact with the WT in reforming this issue but it is difficult to assess. However, regardless of whether or not we can actually promote further reform of the organization, I believe that is clear we are successfully helping individuals reform their own lives.

rebel8 - thank you.

GetBusyLiving - thank you - I would love to hear your story someday when you have the time.

Warmest regards,

Lee Elder

AJWRB

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AJWRB

by Lee Elder in

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we have just published a newsletter for those who follow the blood issue.. it can be viewed here:.

http://www.ajwrb.org/newsletter/april-05.html

Lee Elder

We have just published a newsletter for those who follow the blood issue.

It can be viewed here:

http://www.ajwrb.org/newsletter/April-05.html

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JW parents sacrifice their baby for absurd WTS policy

by Lee Elder in

jw
friends

ajwrb member sam believer brought the recent death of a jehovah's witness infant to my .

attention.

this story has been carried by the cbs dallas affiliate and you should view the story here: .

Lee Elder

Gumby,

This is a Video clip. It may be that their server is being hit with a lot of requests to

watch this story. Keep trying.

Lee

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JW parents sacrifice their baby for absurd WTS policy

by Lee Elder in

jw
friends

ajwrb member sam believer brought the recent death of a jehovah's witness infant to my .

attention.

this story has been carried by the cbs dallas affiliate and you should view the story here: .

Lee Elder

AJWRB member Sam Believer brought the recent death of a Jehovah's Witness infant to my

attention. This story has been carried by the CBS Dallas affiliate and you should view the story here:

Head to http://ktvt.dayport.com/launcher/1883/?tf=video_player.tpl to check it out.

This is the kind of development that deserves our serious attention. Please pass the word to everyone

you know in the JW and ex-JW community as well as related medical, ethics, legal, children's rights

groups.

There is no need to sensationalize this story. The facts should speak for themselves. If anything, we want to

focus attention on the absurdity of the WTS policy which permits the use of hemoglobin but forbids the

use of the red cells which this infant needed. The red cell is nothing more than a doughnut shaped bag

of hemoglobin. 97% of the dry weight of the red cell is hemoglobin. So technically the WTS is banning

the 3% which constitutes the red cell membrane. This is an absurd policy that forces individuals like

these parents to abandon reason and human nature, effectively sacrificing their children to support

a man made prohibition that is entirely lacking in Biblical support since the medical use of blood and

blood products in no way involves eating or digestion to sustain or nourish life.

Your assistance in getting the word out about this development is both needed and appreciated.

Lee Elder

AJWRB

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JW infant dies after parents refuse red cells

by Lee Elder in

ajwrb member sam believer has brought the recent death of a jehovah's witness infant to my.

attention.

this story has been carried by the cbs dallas affiliate and you should view the story here:.

Lee Elder

AJWRB member Sam Believer has brought the recent death of a Jehovah's Witness infant to my